I didn’t say a word, cause an other conflict was the last thing I wanted. But now I don’t give a darn.
You all should be ashamed of yourself. Do you think it is funny to be a ‘Rude Hungarian!? Well, it is not. You made the worst impression on the very first week! You misrepresented your own country with your little soap operas, with no ability to make a compromise, with this whole ‘I-know-it-better’ morality… I could make a list. And the most disgusting of all: speaking Hungarian in front of the others… This was the first time in my life I wasn’t proud of my citizenship.
My English is not perfect, I know. But for the Love of the God!, after 4 months in a foreign language environment you still don’t know how to use Present Continuous!? 5th grade!! And worse! putting together words does not make it a sentence!
Has it ever came to your mind, that you were not just a tourist there to party, or just a student… you were the representative of our school and our country! And after a while when they say ‘Rude Hungarians’, they mean not just us, but the whole fuckin’ Hungary. And You made this bad reputation.
What did I expect…? This whole damn country is full of people like you, I should have known better!
Everybody leaps to his/her own conclusion.
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Is it a bad thing speaking Hungarian in any foreign country?
I mean, it’s okay to speak in English when I am in a conversation with people who doesn’t understand Hungarian. But it’s different when I only speak to my fellow hungarian friends, and only to them.
Okay, I agree it could be really rude if I say something like I don’t want to be understandable to anyone except someone Hungarian folk.
It is not about speaking Hungarian between Hungarians, of course. It’s about when they were speaking it when we were like 15 of us and we had to decide something… or talking about and laughing at somebody who is IN the room.
Now I see your point. I agree. :)
I agree with You of course, but I think it’s quite a big mistake too, when somebody just speaks about people at large.
Sas @ 2:28 am? WTF, go to bed and get some rest! :D
It doesn’t pay alone :) I slept enough when I was…young :D
..well..i dont know what exactly to say as the things you wrote are a bit too hard..and i think that i started the “rude hungarians” thing,so let me say sth.. you know very well that i didnt want to insult anyone,you were just a big group and of course it was easier to speak in hungarian! ok,sometimes it was kind of annoying,but that doesnt mean that you made a bad impression! i was annoyed sometimes too,but then i put myself in your position..imagine one of you being in greece! of course we would mostly speak in greek!
also,i think that is unfair to..”blaim” somebody for his english knowledge..everybody had english-problems more or less..and i think that we all were trying to improve our english skills,some people more..some others less!
and adam..although i was saying the “rude hungarians” thing,of course i dont mean that all hungarians are bad,rude,or anything! dont make the things..general! yes,we were the representatives of our countries,and personally,i had a great time being with everyone of you! we all had our bad moments and our conflicts, because we are different characters,and these things happen!
finaly,i want to say that it is better to keep the good memories and we should be glad to have lived for 4 months with people from other countries! ok,problems are problems,BUT it is good to see the “bright side of life”-problems come..and go!
so,sorry if i had said some things that made anyone of you feel bad :( (and sorry for my huuuuuuuge comment,but i wanted to tell these things!)
You are right! And I will remember the good moments…
But these things were on my mind, this is how I feel, and I wanted to get it off my chest.
Don’t you get me wrong, still this was one of the best times in my life!! :)
..(i know..i am always right..how can the greek girl not be right?)..of course i am kidding adam..! since you feel these things,it is ok that you expressed them! (and i dont get you wrong!) :)
Wow. Wow wow wow. A little amusement in this boring day :) Well, if this is a moment of truth, I must say that I *have* a bad feeling about hungarians. It’s totally unconscious, I’m sorry, I just can’t help it and I can either lie here and act all positive and everything, or tell the truth. And the truth is … when I talk to hungarian now, I get suspicious, because appearance deceives when it comes to hungarians (much more than any other nationality that I have met yet). But that’s ok, I made a valuable experience there.
I became to think that you hungarians can’t do anything with your ‘different’ personality, because you have it somewhere in genes, maybe. But that’s why I appreciate an attempt to change very much. I don’t even know, what’s the problem, maybe it’s just some strange kind of selfishness, that’s masking itself in friendship. No, it’s not that. It’s what I call hungarianity.
But, to tell the truth, I should not rubbish you all here, because we all had problems here. Inner problems or outer problems. It was a different environment, everybody was exposed to his bones, I think. We all did good, we all learnt a lot, not only about world, but mainly about ourselves. I think the experience was worth it.
And I love you Katerina so much :-)))) You always put it the right way :-))))
First of all….very very strong words! And i dont really understand you, why now..?? ok you didnt want to hurt anybody, and of course you thought that it ‘s better to say your opinion here in Hungary…far from the others!! “You all should be ashamed of yourself” : can you explain me this sentence? all? Adam I hope you didnt mean it!! you told me this problem in Finland too, and i was agree with you, and of course i know what’s your point! But at the same time you told me one sentence (airport), what i really did appreciate. And i had just good memories. but with this behaviour you pushed everything to the bad way. I know your feelings about the boys, and I thought the same! but you didnt live with us. you didnt see the girls together, you didnt hear us when we were speaking. In the beginning I didnt speak, and i know it was …. yeah annoying. but i changed and i know when you wrote this things (i hope) you thought a few people… especially… never mind. but it was hurt me. this is my opinion. and from the foreigners i have good feedback.. so i dont feel that i have to say:”shame on you andrea”. i think there are many things what we have to see about the hungarians, and i’m sure anita and me…we left nice memories in the others!
finally Katerina you are right!! of course!! Jacob i think we have some misunderstanding.. but ok.
it’s me… Andrea!!
The last sentence of my post is crucial. You have to leap to your own conclusion. Not to take upon yourself what does not concern you. I did not mention any names intentionally.
What Jacob wrote about this ‘hungarianity’… just certifies my thoughts. But I don’t want this post to fade the good memories.
And what I said to you at the airport I really meant it!
Well Adam, I have to admit to Andrea that this post is of no importance to any of us now. Because it doesn’t solve any problem, it doesn’t make the future communication better, it’s just full of truth we all know somehow. If you’ve written it in pursuit of making the hungarians realize what image of Hungary they left in us, you should have written it in hungarian. When you’ve written it in english, it clearly shows that you’ve written it for us internationals to apologize. That’s great, I like a hungarian who has self-reflexion, but apology is written differently, not like this, with wagging finger.
Another point, Andrea, you say ‘im sure anita and me … we left nice memories in others’. Wow! What a self-confidence. I’m never sure that I left nice memories in others. I try to do it, but I’m always thinking that I may have screwed up somewhere, so I have to try some more. This is the lack of self-reflexion I was talking about. What makes you think that you were better than the other hungarians? I would never say this even if I was better than others.
And of course I totally agree with Katerina, I just said also the dark side of truth.
I think I should write an other post about the bright side of that 4 months, cause this one’s gonna ruin it for us. :D
Jacob, my friend :) I did not want to point my finger at anyone… there were just a few things that pisses me off, so I just wanted to distance myself clearly from them… but I see your point.
Ok, now I understand why you wrote this post. But you still didn’t have to write it, because we knew that you want to distance yourself from the other hungarians :)
It’d be definitely better to write a positive post, but you must really feel it, not force yourself into it. For example you weren’t in Nordkapp, which was really wonderful experience. Due to my style of planning the trip (or not planning) it was very improvised and everybody was trying their best to contribute to the good mood, even though we were all very tired sleeping in the cars all the time. Really everybody was like different person. Anita sitting with Szilard (and although a girl, she didn’t complain about showering or anything). Viktor making big compromises and sacrificing himself (eg. sleeping in Oulu on Monday). The Russians being very friendly and joyful (not closed in their room like always). Even Sergey who must have been really pissed off sitting all the time in car with people who were making fun of his english skills, he kept his good mood.
That’s when I realized that we were able to join together on a collective quest. Rest of the time it could be many other reasons that caused our little wars, like darkness, cold, and especially something we call Submarine Illness. We did see just us all the time and we knew that there was no real possibility to make any other good friends.
But Adam, my friend :) you made me think about this all, so you caused one little Czech to change his opinion about hungarians a little bit :) This article has a reason.